1:00 pm class

Greetings, all!  Today’s focus is on citations.  We ignored this in the drafts.  But now is the moment you want to focus on those nit-picky details.  Citations will count up to 1/3 of a letter grade in the final proposal/biblio.  So you want to get them right. Use my citation tipsheets (top menu) & Lipson, Cite Right.

Note:  Sometimes you have a source that doesn’t quite fit with the models.  In that case, follow its closest models, creating your own hybrid form for that type of source. As long as your citations are consistent, follow Chicago biblio style as closely as possible, with my Tipsheet exceptions (note what those are!), and include all the relevant info, you’ll be fine.

To work on this for class, everyone please do this:   Pick one citation you’re having trouble with.  CHECK my Tipsheet first to see if the problem is answered there.  If not, post it here as a COMMENT.  Once we have a few up (say 10 minutes or so), I’ll pick one that we’ll all work on together.  You’ll post suggested edits.

And you’ll pose any questions you have about citations.

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27 thoughts on “1:00 pm class”

  1. Macieski, Robert. 2000. “BEFORE THEIR TIME”: LEWIS W. HINE AND THE NEW HAMPSHIRE CRUSADE AGAINST CHILD LABOR.” Historical New Hampshire 55, no. 3/4: 90-107. America: History and Life with Full Text, EBSCOhost (accessed February 26, 2015).

    [PT: check my tipsheet for info on (not) including database refs for academic journal articles. Also, no all-caps.]

  2. Connor Pierce:
    “Photo Standalone 1 — No Title,” Washington Post (October 6, 1919): 2.

    This no longer pertains to my research, but when I was looking through newspaper standalone pages in World War I era Washington Posts for earlier citation assignments, I found it difficult to cite them because they didn’t list an author/photographer and no name was given. How does one make sure that their citation is searchable when this happens?

    [PT: The database might not list it, but perhaps the original page of the Wash Post did? If so, cite the photographer by name, if given, and if there is no real title, you can use the first few words of the caption as the title. If no caption, you can insert a brief description in brackets, e.g.: [Black and white photograph of street scene.] If not photographer listed, start with the title.

    Also, for historical newspapers/magazines, I’m asking you to include the database name, since these may be impossible to find otherwise.]

  3. •  Title: “Smoke Gets in Your Eyes”
    Image Title: “Go To Hell”
    Author: Michael Thibodeau and Jana Martin
    Date: U.S.A, 1987
    Company: GTH
    This is an image of an old cigarette pack that is in the book I checked out in the library. The pack has an image of flames engulfing the title “Go To Hell”, and underneath that is the caption “I like ‘em and I’m going to smoke ‘em”. Even below that it reads: “Cheaper than psychiatry, better than a nervous breakdown”.

    • Title: “Smoke Gets in Your Eyes”
    Image Title: “Cancer”
    Author: Michael Thibodeau and Jana Martin
    Date: U.S.A, 1966
    Company: Pacific Tobacco
    This is an image of a black pack of cigarettes. It reads, “Cancer cigarettes” and then “A ‘daring’ tobacco combination”.

    I don’t really know where to start with these citations. Both of these are just images of old cigarette packs, but they are not actual photographs. Should I cite it as a digital image? Do I include the author of the book who found these cigarettes in my citations? So far, I just collected as much information I could that was already mentioned in the book.

    [PT: You would cite each as a photograph (surely they are–or are they drawings?) of the cigarette pack in question. If there is a caption, use that. Or a description; see example above. Then you would cite the book it is in, and the page number. See my tipsheet example for artwork reprinted in books, and follow that, more or less.]

  4. Henstra, Daniel. 1 July 2007.The Dynamics of Policy Change: A Longitudinal Analysis of Emergency Management in Ontario, 1950–2010.. Journal of policy history. Issue 23 (3), p. 399 – 428.
    – I’m not completely positive what order to place my information, though I do believe that I have what is required.

    [PT: You’ve got all the info. So just look to Lipson for the model. But note my exception i the tipsheet–I don’t want database/access dates for academic journal articles. In general most journals don’t do this in their own citations–check footnotes in articles to see which ones do/don’t. For a stable item like an academic journal article–if you have the PDF which is just the page image–it would be like saying “I checked this out of Gelman Library.” But also note my revserse stand on historical newspapers/magazines, where I DO want the database cited.]

  5. “Live Updates on the Israeli Air Raids on Gaza – 32 Palestinians Killed in ‘operation Protective Edge’ including Children • /r/worldnews Comments.” Reddit. 1 Aug. 2014. Web. 6 Mar. 2015.

    [PT: most of the info is there, but this looks more like an MLA Works Cited citation. Check Lipson for Chicago style on citing blogs and websites.]

  6. This is a link to a talk given by Hugh Howard about his book ” The Painters Chair”. I don’t know whether to cite it as a film or website? http://www.c-span.org/video/?322610-1/discussion-presidential-portraits-george-washington

    [PT: see the models your peers tried out below and my response to that. HH’s book might be interesting for your project–note, however, that it has come under some careful criticism of its treatment of images; see the book review,
    “Privileging the Text, Subordinating the Image,” by Stephen Caffey,
    Reviews in American History, 2009, Volume 37, Issue 4, pp. 521 – 528.

    Also, that other talk on everyday sketches of GW seemed interesting; it was linked under the HH talk.]

  7. http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/rbpebib,coolbib,mtj,scsmbib,mal,mjm,mcc,pin,mgw,nfor,:@field%28SUBJ+@band%28+Ruby,+Jack++1912+1967++%29%29

    There is no citation information given and I’m not quite sure where to start with this one. The document is a letter from Jack Ruby to his attorney in the Library of Congress American History collection.

    [PT: There is citation info listed right above the image of the letter. You can also click on the catalog record below it. You want to cite the original as specifically as you can, plus cite the site where you are viewing it. So in this case it would be citing a manuscript letter + citing a website that reprints it. There is a model on my tipsheet for something close to this.]

  8. Here is a tweet that contains a photo of one of the examples I am trying to use to contrast the stadium atmospheres in Europe versus the US. The citation guides for twitter just say to cite the tweet itself (even though the picture is from a different source). Should i try to find the source of the picture, or just cite the tweet as is?

    [PT: If you’re interested in what it shows and the context of it being shared doesn’t matter, it doesn’t seem to matter which version you cite. If you’re interested in the original in its original context, then try to find that. If you’re interested in the fact that it has been tweeted, then cite the tweeted version.]

  9. Wills, H.O., W.D.. “A Tribute to the Women Workers.” Drawn image. PDF copy from the New York Library Digital Gallery, Internet Archive, http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=242779&imageID=437077&total=300&num=80&word=women%20in%20war&s=1&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=1&lWord=&lField=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&sort=&imgs=20&pos=94&e=w(accessed February 18, 2015).

    Unable to find much more information other than this. Is there anything else to include that I have not already? (Date not available. If I am able to a general timeframe, would I put approx x date?)

    [PT: Pretty close. This is a weird object, and won’t fit usual citation formats. Wills is the company name, so it wouldn’t read in reverse. The archive calls these “cigarette cards” so you can use that name for the type of object. This isn’t technically a drawing; it is some kind of reproduction of a drawing; if the catalog record tells you what kind (lithograph, engraving, etc.), you could say that. You could include the size, if given, since this is an unusual object. And their catalog record also says these are part of a series, which might be useful info, esp. if the series has a name.

    Here’s the point (everyone)–for unusual archival objects, include enough information that will tell us what this thing is. Usually you’ll find info in the archive’s catalog record. This should also be part of what you’re doing all the time in these archives–what was this thing? who printed them? for what purpose? was this a common format? or unusual? how did these circulate?]

  10. Abdul Khuram:
    I basically cited all of my secondary sources in this method. Is this acceptable as a Chicago Style citation?

    McCrory, Amy, “Sports Cartoons in Context: TAD Dorgan and Multi-Genre Cartooning in Early Twentieth Century Newspapers,” American Periodicals Series, Volume 18, Issue 1 2008: pg45-68. (accessed March 5, 2015).

    [PT: all the elements are there. But check the punctuation closely. And see my Tipsheet on excluding database names/access dates for acad journal artiles (but including them for newspapers/magazines).]

  11. Photo standalone 5 — no title. 1966. Los Angeles Times (1923-Current File), May 03, 1966. http://search.proquest.com/docview/155469792?accountid=11243 (accessed March 5, 2015).
    Not sure if i should use the title Photo standalone as stated in the source.

    [PT: You want to find any actual title (or use the caption if no title) and name of the creator, if the original includes it. “Photo standalone 5” is just a placeholder name the database made up. Then check the formats in Lipson & my Tipsheet on citing articles (or photos) in historical newspapers & magazines.]

  12. Citation: “1st Photos of Viet Mass Slaying,” The plain Dealer, November 20, 1969, photo 1-6. cleveland.com photo gallery http://photos.cleveland.com/4501/gallery/my_lai_plain_dealer_pages/index.html#/0

    I’m having a hard time with this because it is a gallery of 6 photos of newspaper pages from cleveland.com (http://photos.cleveland.com/4501/gallery/my_lai_plain_dealer_pages/index.html#/0) and I can’t seem to find these photos on any other database or website.

    [PT: There is probably a way for you to see the actual article. Ask a librarian for help with this. But in the meantime, cite the article in full (original date, etc.) and then add the website you’re finding it on.]

  13. professor, could you briefly explain each of the types of sources on the model– fill in the blanks– proposal? I am not exactly sure what types of sources to put under each

    [PT: I’m not sure what you’re asking here. Do you need help understanding what the different categories of sources are for the biblio?]

  14. James A. Garfield : statues, monuments and tomb, Stephen A. Schwarzman Building / Print Collection, Miriam and Ira D. Wallach Division of Art, Prints and Photographs, (no date) Retrieved from http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=594328&imageID=1241668&total=18&num=0&parent_id=594249&s=&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=1&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&lword=&lfield=&sort=&imgs=20&pos=15&snum=&e=r

    I am just posting an example of citation because I want to make sure that I am doing it correctly. It is a photograph made into a print on a card.

    [PT: looks like most of the info we’d want is there. Be sure to put the card title in quotation marks so we know that’s the card title. And tell us what this is; usually the catalog entry will tell you what this object is called (postcard, stereoscope card, etc.). So follow the general principle: cite the original as fully as you can, plus add the full citation for the website you got it from.]

  15. Okay, EVERYONE please try out this tricky one: Go to the URL & come back with your version of the full citation for this thing. What models do I have that are close? What does Lipson have under Chicago style that might be closer?

    This is a link to a talk given by Hugh Howard about his book ” The Painters Chair”. I don’t know whether to cite it as a film or website? http://www.c-span.org/video/?322610-1/discussion-presidential-portraits-george-washington

    Remember this principle (which applies to a lot of the examples above): always try to cite fully the original thing, then add to that the full citation for the place you are seeing it.

    While you’re all doing that, I’ll be posting individual comments to your questions in brackets above, so check back there.

  16. Hi Professor, On my Draft you circled the year in most of my citations without really explaining why, can you explain whats wrong with the way i put the year?
    Example :

    McPhedran, Charles, and Anna Arutunyan, Special for USA TODAY. “Crimea Votes to Join Russia; Ukrainians Prepare for War.” USA Today. March 17, 2014. Accessed February 9, 2015.

    [PT: dates I circled were just for the conversation; I was ignoring citation style there. I was probably wondering which dates/events you were going to focus on.]

  17. I cited it under speech, since thats what it seems like.

    Howard, Hugh. “George Washington Portraits.” George Washington Portraits. C-SPAN. Web. 6 Mar. 2015. .

    [PT: Note that adding “Web” is an MLA thing. Chicago doesn’t do that.]

  18. Hugh Howard Video Citation:

    George Washington Portraits. Perf. Hugh Howard. C-Span.org. C-SPAN, 7 Nov. 2014. Web. 6 Mar. 2015. .

  19. Discussion on the Presidential Portraits of George Washington. Hugh Howard. C-SPAN.org. Cable, 7 Nov. 2014. Web. 06 Mar. 2015.

    Not sure where/if to include…
    • The Series: The Presidency
    • Hosting Organization: George Washington’s Mount Vernon Estate, Museums, and Gardens

    Also not sure to put in the date it was accessed electronically, but putting it in the citation anyways.

  20. Abdul Khuram
    Here is how I would cite it: But not sure if it is correct:
    I think that the closest thing would be a website citation and that is the format i followed:

    Howard, Hugh. “Discussion on the Presidential Portraits of George Washington.” C-SPAN.org. November 7, 2014. Accessed March 6, 2015.

  21. Howard, Huge. “George Washington Portraits.” C-SPAN. C-SPAN.org. November 7, 2014. Accessed March 6, 2015.

    Do we include the phrase? “The Presidency: George Washington Portraits” or just keep it to George Washington Portraits?

  22. Lots of good versions here, and I don’t think there is one right answer. I would look for (1) as much info on the original talk as you could find: the speaker (of course), the title (which appears to be “George Washington’s Portraits”), and its original location and date; then (2) info for this video, which seems to be part of C-SPAN’s “The Presidency” series, with URL and access date.

    When creating a hybrid citation like this, try to follow the models in Lipson or my tipsheet that most closely follow the components you need, in this case a speech + a video on a website.

  23. To wrap up:

    The big take-away here is that citation styles are arbitrary. Editors (me, in this case) can alter them at will. I have done so and given you models of as many as I could think of on the tipsheet. So please check over that closely and follow those models as closely as you can.

    But if I don’t have a model there, then use Lipson and my models to help you create a reasonable version of one in that style.

    I’m forgiving on this as far as grading goes, on this project. As long as they look very close to the models–e.g. it is clear that you used the tipsheet and followed the models and guidelines there–and your citations include all the relevant info & look consistent–meaning that if you must improvise & create hybrid citations, that you do them similarly–you’ll be fine!

    If you have more questions, post them here today and I’ll answer them individually by editing the comment. Read others’ questions & my answers as well.

    Have a great break!

  24. Hi Professor, On my Draft you circled the year in most of my citations without really explaining why, can you explain whats wrong with the way i put the year?
    Example :

    McPhedran, Charles, and Anna Arutunyan, Special for USA TODAY. “Crimea Votes to Join Russia; Ukrainians Prepare for War.” USA Today. March 17, 2014. Accessed February 9, 2015.

    [PT: i went back and edited above. But also: See citing historical newspapers in databases, in my tipsheet.]

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