1pm class, part 2

Here’s part 2:
3. Start a new comment with your favorite concept key terms from peers.  Pose questions &/or explain why you like those as concept terms.
4. In that same comment, offer a specific distinction between subject vs. concept keywords.  How do you know when which is which?  Can some be either?  We’re working towards a definition.
Add further comments to respond to peers’ comments.
5. I’ll post a comment with a final question at about 1:40 to finish up.  Look for that & respond to it w/ new comments before we go.

36 thoughts on “1pm class, part 2”

  1. 2/13/15
    Alice Lemee

    Favorite Concept Terms from Peers:

    -“Cricket in New York Streets ‘was played similar to’ the cricket in streets of India” (Abdul)
    This as really interesting concept. Being from New York I can’t imagine seeing people playing cricket in the streets, nonetheless in India. Are there any images of this from both different locations? Would be a really interesting comparison. Was it more popular/less popular in India? If so, did the Indian culture have anything to do with it do you think? Did they emerge at the same time in both of these different cultures?
    -“Public Shock: The book argues that it is important to note the unprecedented documentation of the Kennedy presidency and the cultural ramifications the assassination created because it was so well documented.” (Jack Skramstad) Quick Question; we know that JFK’s assassination was caught on camera. Was the footage being streamed live in television sets across the world? If so, what did the camera’s do after this moment?
    -“idealistic” cartoons about women in the future in an outside job” (Jill Matlaga) I didn’t know that cartoons even portrayed the ‘idealistic’ future for women. What time did these start appearing? Were they drawn exclusively by male feminists, or were women actually drawing and publishing their own cartoons and well? What were the first magazines/newspapers that started doing this, if you can find that out?

    Concept Keywords:
    Concept keywords have more to do with the idea of your research project as a whole and the main thing it is asking us to investigate and analyze.
    For me, this could be, “1960’s cigarette research” and very similarly “1920’s cigarette research”. However, it can get even more specific, depending on how lucky one is with the database they are using for research.

    Subject Keywords:
    The who, what, where and when of your project essentially. I would imagine subject keywords to be used to get the foundation to write your paper off of, for example, how society was at that specific time, or any other basic relevant information.
    For me, this could be, “cigarette advertisements”, as a basic picture to see what the advertisements looked like in the first place.

    What distinguishes them for me, at least, is that you first would have to have your subject keywords put in and collected before then moving on to the concept keywords. Subject keywords allow you to gain a breadth of necessary knowledge, like the who, what, when, and where about your topic. The concept keywords let you hone in on your specific idea of your topic once you got it’s basic information. This directly helps into our projects formation. Since we are not given a specific topic, and an insurmountable deal of resources, it can be hard to trim everything that is given to us to have a single-sentence research question. Once we have a basic idea, subject keywords allow us to find the foundation of it all. Through there we may notice similarities, patterns, or even differences in the subject, which is where concept keywords can come into play.

  2. -what was the most popular form of cigarette advertising in the 1920’s? 1960’s?

    Curious to know the answer, were woman the main scene in advertisements in both times, how did televisions becoming more popular change things?

    -Ape-like caricatures of men were symbols for shameless political opportunism by disloyal imperial officials.

    I feel like we still use that today, we will compare corruptness with beasts in order to dehumanize them and look at what they’ve done harsher.

    – The American way of observing it
    I know you’re talking about early America but something that may be interesting is to see how Americans observe things today as opposed to citizens of other nations. How do we view cigarretes compared to the rest of the world, how do we view corruption or wealth compared to the rest of the world and how did our views come about in such away.

    A Subject is what is in the article, the “1st level” if you will, the way the writer portrays what he is writing about and what he is writing about, the subject describes what the article is going to say while the concept is more how the author is trying to say those things, what words is he using to show the importance of the subject matter as well as how is he interpreting it. The reader should use both to help better understand what the author is talking about.

  3. Are there any particular concepts that scholars are using to analyze those ads? Or to make their arguments about the relationship between the ads & the research?

  4. And how do your peers’ concept terms illustrate the definition? Or do they list some as subject terms that you think might be concept terms?

  5. Part 3:
    • Abrupt shift in scale and viewpoint.
    • Juxtaposition
    • Imperialism
    • Alienation
    • Conspiracy: The book offers exploration of conspiracy theory as is fitting for the amount of controversy surrounding the assassination, but ultimately takes a denial stance, supporting the most popular explanation (Oswald).
    • “New age”
    • Self-identification as a nation
    • conveys the luminous substance
    • Instantaneousness
    • Visual disorientation

    Part 4:

    The key difference between the concept terms and the subject terms was the difference between factual information (dates, names, places, etc) versus ideas (juxtaposition, imperialism, conspiracy, etc). Ideas are generally contestable while the factual information is normally set in stone and non-refutable.

  6. Women portraying women— what do you mean by this? What is being portrayed? how are women portrayed by women vs how women are portrayed by men? I find this to be an interesting term because it explores how people are portrayed by different subsets of people

    I think of subject keywords as being literal observations from the image and concept keywords as being underlying and/or historical observations from either the image, caption or test written about the image.

  7. Favorite Concept Terms from peers:
    When Jack talks about the impact on the assassination of JFK, he says that the author “Focuses on the not just images, but the “impact of images on images.” I don’t quite understand on what impact of images on images means, can you please elaborate?
    As for the research question about newspapers representing their points of view during wars by images, how does the Digital age really integrate into the topic and what advancements did it bring out?

    Attempt at defining subject vs. concept keywords:
    I think that subject words are just words that come up often and are discussed by the author. Concept keywords in my opinion should be words that define what the text is about and how it relates to other outside material.

    Regarding Prof. Troutman’s comment earlier, I do think that image-based portrayals had an effect on the general perception. For instance, I read in an article that pictures of people playing cricket gave some people the impression that they are just “standing around” vs a picture of say soccer, in which players are moving rapidly and exerting greater force. The visual media sabotage cricket in a way by not showing it. The reason many people don’t know about cricket is because it hasn’t really been covered anywhere. For instance, Sports illustrated only has namely 5-6 articles that contain cricket (even the topic is not about cricket in some of these). Promoters of cricket of course tried to take more images from different angles. As counter to the fact that people thought cricketers are “standing around”, I still have to conduct more research as I am not sure.

  8. Subject
    –American origins
    American origins through art is interesting, as there is vast portraiture, and landscapes that were later published
    -Art and pop culture during JFK’s presidency
    The Kennedy years are often thought of as years of hope and promise for America, underlined by deep and growing racial tensions. I only now realize that I have not seen much media put out during these years that may reflect, or disprove my impression
    -Political Cartoons
    Political cartoons can portray the mood of the time honestly and smartly unlike most other mediums available


    -how cigarettes dealt with the fact that they were now considered “a guilty pleasure”

    This is interesting as a point of research to hear about how cigarette companies began to deal with the new stigma placed on them. How would a company deal with such a changing perspective on their product

    -Representation of Journalism

    Different representations of journalism, as it is portrayed both inside and outside the sphere of news is an interesting analysis, as it is likely that it very much has to do with the currents and trends of the time’s political culture

    The difference between subject and content keywords is that the subject is the broad area you are looking at in a piece. For example, a subject may be “Portrayals of Baseball Players in the 70’s”. Content, in that example, would be the specific images and tropes present that define the works of that era.

  9. Peer Comments:

    “Countering the antis”
    — I’m curious about the connotation to this and how this phrase’s association with aggression plays to the struggle of women and the direction the author believes they should take to further pursue feminism.

    “idealistic” cartoons about women in the future in an outside job
    — I love the criticism of male oriented depictions of female lives

    Women viewed as only helpful in the home
    — This a solid claim that has clear evidence from images to back it up as women are constantly depicted in domestic tasks or in leisurely postitions

    Portraying women as delicate/unable to work
    — Could this be contrasted with the arduous task of raising children and maintaining a home?

    Defining Subject versus Concept:

    Subject seems to be the thing that is being analyzed. It is the matter with which analysis is drawn from. The concept though shows the path that an author takes to analyze the imagery. For example, women of the 19th century would be a subject because they are the initial characters of the piece that analysis is to be drawn from. However, concepts may include lounging positions, soft lines, lack of laborious objects included because those are the details that forge the argument that the author makes.

  10. Regarding Alice’s question about cricket in the streets of New York and India:
    Unfortunately, there are not pictures of this provided by the author. Nonetheless, as we know there is much more regulation in New York than India, so any form of cricket would most likely be played on some sort of field. However, in the subcontinent, cricket is played in alleys, gyms, and any other space that can be found. I have seen this firsthand when I went to Pakistan over the summer.
    Of course, with more people playing, the more popular it becomes so yes, it is more popular in India. But this is not necessarily because of culture, in fact its because they play it more often and are used to it. This form part of my research question because I wish to understand why cricket developed elsewhere and not in the United States early on.

  11. My Favorite Concept List
    • Stereotypes
    o I liked this one as a conceptual term because it is a point of view of looking at a series of pictures
    • Resistance/representation
    o I thought this one was also a good concept/framework term because it is possible to apply this to any image and analyze them
    • Feminization
    o This was a theme that I think can help find things in images that if was not focused on before would not be found
    • Satire
    o This one is my favorite because images too can sometimes be outrageous and if taken seriously invokes a completely misinterpreted meaning
    • Connotations
    o I think this one is similar to representation because it associates images with things that it doesn’t intend explicitly
    • Photo Manipulation
    o Useful tool for analyzing how photos are changed and helps analyze groups of images

    Difference between Concept and Subject keywords?

    Concept keywords are broad-ranging words that can be applied like a different shade of sunglasses to get an alternate meaning or perspective on images. Subject keywords are the words describing things outside the perspective lenses that are not changeable, merely descriptive information.

  12. Impact: Focuses on the not just images, but the “impact of images on images.”
    This concept seems like it is not only talking about photographs or paintings; it is also talking about how images can affect how people portray an event or a person. This concept lays the groundwork for analytical thought because it is not just about pictures it is also people’s thoughts about pictures.

  13. Favorite concepts:
    “Go to Hell” cigarettes: first of all that’s pretty funny. But it raises a good point: while the scientific research done to condemn the use of cigarettes has been extremely useful for public health, people can smoke cigarettes if they want to. There’s no need to judge people for making that decision, even if it is unhealthy. As I see it, people make unhealthy decisions every day and cigarettes aren’t that different. People who do smoke cigarettes don’t need everyone to be snobby about its health implications, which most people are.
    “Portraying women as delicate, unable to work” seems to be a concept that until recently was largely held, but this is not the case, the history of a woman’s role is more complex. This concept brought to mind the Rosie the Riveter image and how severely this concept and that image contrast. It seems that women were needed and encouraged to be strong, tough, and driven workers during the wartime effort, but not before or afterwards. Once all the men are home from war, it’s time for them to be delicate again. So the conclusion is that during certain times in history, women were expected to fill the role prescribed to them. So it’s not that women were always thought of as delicate and unable to work, it’s that the male-oriented society made them be whatever was most convenient for men, and except for certain circumstances, such as WWII, delicate suited the men’s preferences the most.
    “How morale withstood the Blitz” – Hitler’s Blitzkrieg (lightning war) was a devastating military phenomenon that took the French army in particular by surprise. However, I deem it a phenomenon rather than a tactic because some scholars are unsure as to whether the blitzkrieg campaign and its German leaders had conscious knowledge of its effectiveness, or that it was just the Wermacht’s aggressive expansion and Hitler’s hunger for quickly gaining territory that lead to ‘lightning war.’

    Subject versus Concept:
    I would posit that the difference between the two is thesis driven, or that the concept is debatable, or intellectual. For example, the subject John F Kennedy is undeniable. He existed, that was his name, the American public has records on his life and presidency; he can be talked about. But the concept “the JFK assassination controversies have merit” can be represented in numerous different ways and some of the information is debatable; that statement is contestable and requires continuous scholarly discussion.

  14. Favorite concept terms:

    -what is the significance of the cigarettes called “cancer” cigarettes- ‘a daring tobacco combination”? (1966) Is it a parody? An insult? A sort of rebellious act for the consumer or from the producer?
    -what is the significance of the “Go to Hell” cigarettes – ‘I like ‘em and I’m going to smoke ‘em’ (1987). Was the company serious? Did these cigarettes actually sell?
    -how cigarettes dealt with the fact that they were now considered “a guilty pleasure”

    These were my favorite, because they not only showed the specific ways that the author was going to look at the different subjects that they addressed earlier but also posed interpretive questions for the reader to find on their own or for the author to answer later.

    My definition of concept words vs. subject words would be, that subject words really have to do with the specific area that an author is trying to examine, while the concept words are the ways in which the author will examine those areas, through methods like analyzing specific symbols in an image or grouping themes commonly found in images together to create a certain interpretation. My peers illustrated this definition by showing the more basic overall subject matters that the authors looked at first like England or Advertising of cigarettes, and then found how the author expanded on these terms to create a specific interpretation through methods like looking at specific brands of cigarettes and why people smoked them or looking at how cricket was played specifically in Philadelphia.

  15. And let me add in my last question here: are concept keywords useful to developing your project? will they help you in the academic databases–to find more arguments out there? Will they help you define your question?

    Just a few minutes left—everyone post some response here before you take off.

  16. Part 4:
    Subject key terms are about the topic that the author is discussing and describing.
    Concept key words, are used to analyse the subject key words.
    Subject key words are needed before a concept can be formed for analysis.

  17. I like the idea of concept terms being CONTESTABLE vs. factual. Think of them as TOOLS that are portable–you can take them elsewhere and apply them to different subject matter. I’m thinking that “impact of images on other images” might mean something about how images seem to pick up on prior themes from prior images–or how once a certain kind of image of something is out there, that others seem to follow suit. That’s a notion you could examine elsewhere, couldn’t you? How one particular ad changes the way other ads go after that? Or how certain kinds of photos and not others appear on magazine covers? And how this might shift over time?

  18. -What is the significance of the cigarettes called “cancer” cigarettes- ‘a daring tobacco combination”? (1966) Is it a parody? An insult? A sort of rebellious act for the consumer or from the producer? (Alice)
    I though that cigarettes called “Cancer” was an interesting observation. I like the questions that were posed here.
    -Irony (Abdul)
    I liked this statement because Abdul relates irony and cricket, which is something I would not have thought about. How is irony represented in images of cricket?
    -Comparisons with development of cricket in other “big” countries (Abdul)
    How did cricket evolve in “big” countries? Is this being shown through images? How?
    -The vibrancy of Washington’s uniform in contrast with the darkness of the rest of the painting (Juliet)
    I liked this statement because I thought that it provided an visual idea, and it made me ask questions. What does the red mean? Who created the painting? What did they think of GW?
    -Woman’s role in the war and at home (Matthew)
    What roles did women have in the war and at home? In what ways was it represented in the propaganda? How did this image of women specifically impact the audience?
    -Women as nation (Ryan)
    I liked this statement because I have noticed it in my own research as well. “women as nation” is an excellent point. How are women represented as a nation in these Middle Eastern political cartoons:?

  19. yes because these are the words we can search for in the databases which will lead us to new images which can help us define our questions

  20. Concept key words have been far more helpful in inciting a question and an argument than subject terms. They help by offering means of analysis and showing how one can go about taking images and applying them to broader matters. However, subject words have been more helpful in searching for works in databases.

    ~Connor Pierce

  21. Yes. Concept Keywords are essential for developing the project because they offer methods of analyzing images to provide evidence for our argument. With these keywords they will make searching the databases easier by filling our argument in all ranges by searching the titles of the methods of analyzing. Also clarifies what the evidence actually is and how it can be understood.

  22. Concept Key Terms:
    – Propaganda and advertising’s role in keeping moral high: I think the use of propaganda during times of war, and the fact that we often don’t realize that what we are seeing is propaganda, is very interesting.
    – Comparisons with development of cricket in other “big” countries: It’s somewhat strange that a sport that is fairly popular in many countries is played by so few in the US.
    -the “cancer” cigarettes are interesting because this seems like an interesting way to get people who want the feel rebellious to buy your product.

    Subject vs Concept
    I think that the main difference is that the subject terms come from the primary source. Without the analysis you could be able to come up with those same terms just by looking or knowing about the thing being analyzed. The concept/analytical terms come from the mind of the author. The work these come from are their own.

  23. Part 4:
    A subject can be defined as a broad term for a visual piece. It says the general who, what, when and where.
    A concept is more of an individual idea It is a more specific component of a subject, such as a specific who, and exact time, etc.

  24. I think the Concept will help you define your question more than finding key arguments but i think it would work well for both. I think concepts should mainly be used to help understand what the author is trying to say for you to better understand what type of work he has looked at and how he looks at it.

  25. Concept key words are very helpful because they can help you analyze the author’s work even further. They words help questions of our own to arise. Concept keywords are specific so they could help you find more arguments and they could help you define your question because you would find more sources that are geared towards your thoughts.

  26. Part 5:

    Concept terms and keywords help narrow down the search to a more specific area. When it comes to going through databases, the key terms help you get a bit of context on your research question. Looking through the other results help give a sense of what range of scholarly is occurring. Narrowing your question down with the inclusion of a key term or concept allows you to draw on the ideas behind that term and potentially allow you to create your own interpretation.

  27. I think that concept keywords will be useful in developing the project, as they will inevitably guide you come to a certain conclusion on the research that you are looking at. This finding of new keywords and information may change your view on the subject that you are researching or enhance a view that you have already found, and as a result could help you refine your specific interpretation of the subject that you are looking at or change your question in a way to incorporate ideas that will make it easier for you to come to the specific conclusion that you are aiming for.

  28. I think concept key words are absolutely useful in developing a project. First, they help dig up articles and scholarly sources because scholars don’t always name their work after just the subject, they usually are seeking to prove something or raise an intellectual question. (Ex: a Newspaper article about the impact of JFK on politics probably would not just be titled “John F Kennedy,” instead it would go something like “JFK’s Lasting Political Legacy,” or “Even today, Kennedy’s Words Ring True,” etc. So in that sense they can help you in the databases. And I also think they definitely help define the question, reshape it, or perhaps send it on another trajectory. Subjects are for the literal, for the historical events and facts: JFK was born here, JFK did this, JFK believed that, etc. Concepts add weight to subjects and make them worth researching/discussing. To dumb it down, subjects are more about who, what , when, and where. Concepts are about how and why.

  29. Concept keywords are useful to developing our projects. These keywords act as buzzer words, and while reading/skimming, if we see these buzzer words, we know to take a better look. Additionally, they help when searching the academic databases because it gives us several different ways to search for materials that we need. The keywords narrow down what we are looking for, and the question we are trying to answer. They act almost as a filter for sources that are not as helpful, and prevent us from straying away from the topic.

  30. I think that concept key terms are useful for developing my project in terms of describing analysis done by somebody who refers to images, or by the author himself. However, they won’t help me in the academic databases as much. This is because they probably will find more arguments, but most of them will be ones that don’t relate to my topic, but rather just have similar methods of analysis used in them.

    -Thanks, Have a nice weekend everyone
    -Abdul Khuram

  31. Concept Keywords are helpful in narrowing a search. They let you search for more specific arguments and images, which can help find what you are actually looking for. They also narrow the question you are asking, letting you come to stronger conclusions.

  32. Allright, no we’re getting somewhere! Keep thinking about these distinctions as you do the library prep for next Wednesday–we meet in Gelman. Enjoy the Monday holiday!

  33. I believe that for most research projects, mine included, that yes, concept keywords are useful to developing projects. If well worded, they can be useful in academic databases and to find more arguments in those sources. However, in order to be useful the researcher must have the ability to not only come up with good concept keywords, but actually figure out how they can be interpreted and the possible knowledge they offer from beyond that specific standpoint. If this is done in an intelligent manner, then yes, they can help define your question. Also mentioning that concept keywords are ‘debatable’ further proves what I have just stated; these keywords aren’t meant to have a specific definition, rather to be seen in all their possibilities of the different angles one can use to approach their question.
    -Alice Lemee

  34. Part 5:
    I think that concept terms will only sometimes be helpful as search terms. More specific ones may be helpful because they may be in the title or description of the work. However, many of the concept terms will be too general and will bring up a lot of unrelated works. The terms will also probably be helpful if you want to make your question more specific.

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