11:30, part two

Okay, everybody, great starts on topic questions!

I forgot to ask for your book titles–you can add those in now if you like (ok if not).

Now, do a new comment with two things in it:

1. your favorite  concept terms from peers–why or what questions do  those raise?

2. your definition of concept keywords vs. subject keywords.  What distinguishes them? Can one term be both? What makes the difference?  How do scholars use each?  How might they help you in your project-in-formation?

Add further comments to respond to peers’ ideas.  Look for my final question at 12:10.

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28 thoughts on “11:30, part two”

  1. 1. Favorite concept key terms:
    – photographs bringing truth to what is otherwise fictional: I like this description because it gives light to the unbiased side of photography and photo journalism. However, I’m not sure you could safely say this anymore, as photos can easily be tampered wit and with clear biases/
    – resistance of pleasure: what exactly do you mean by this, and how would and artist or photographer capture this?
    – Multiple perspectives on news coverage: What results from the multiple perspectives on news coverage on public opinion of war coverage? How can you demonstrate the distinctions between some public opinion versus others?
    – Shortened articles: What effect did this have on the women’s rights movement? I see it as being belittling, but perhaps there’s an empowering reason for shortened articles about the subject?
    – Photos not showing how gruesome murder is: Do you think that this is for the benefit of the public? In which ways can this damage the public’s image of murder? Does it desensitize us to the concept of homicide when we don’t see the actual images?
    – Emotional neutrality of journalists: Is this idealistic or are they analyzing the extent to which journalists can be emotionally neutral?

    2. Subject vs. concept keywords:
    Though subject and concept keywords can sometimes be interchangeable, I think that there is a pretty clear distinction between the two. Subject keywords typically regard dissected content, which include people, places, things. However, concept keywords regard the content as a whole. It also regards the content as it has been analyzed, as to give insight to underlying concepts and ideas. These terms are usually more abstract and deal with the overall picture, including outside forces like media, public opinion, and reactions.

  2. My book is titled Carnage and the Media by Jean Seaton. I liked how danielareeve brought up defining the cartoons as a ‘success’ or a ‘failure’ which seems to me like a really interesting way to quantify political cartoons. Lexikier also intrigued me with the interpretation of the repercussions of the media in war coverage since the negative effects the media has on the war effort are rarely brought up in my experience.

  3. 1. the male gaze- I wonder if this is referring to photographs influenced by what men want to see or men actually gazing at women etc. in photos?
    binding quality of photographs- I think this one is really interesting, because in a way photographs can persuade people to think certain things about certain images
    Art as an instrument of political consciousness- I’d like to hear more about this. How does art influence political consciousness?
    Public memory of war- I definitely think that photography and art can influence how a population remembers certain historical events, especially war. Is it usually a positive memory or a negative memory?

    2. Concept keywords are words that show the tools with which a scholar analyzes images. What is that image saying about a certain subject? How does that connect to other aspects of the subject? Subject keywords are more basic; they describe what the image is of etc. It is similar to the three pillars of analyzing photography that we read about from Burke. The first pillar is simply what you see (subject keywords) and the next two pillars are more analytical and really delve into the deeper meaning of the image (concept keywords). They can overlap depending on what the image is of. They can both be helpful in figuring out what the public sees versus what the artist saw and why the artist produced that image in that way.

  4. The difference between subject and concept key words is that subject keywords are really just the who and the what, whereas concept keywords are the why and the how. While some can be interchangeable the important distinction is that the concept key words seek to analyze the causality and consequence of the subject words, whereas the subject words just exist on more of a surface level.

  5. I liked the concept terms: culture theory and melodramatic identifications when talking about feminism because I feel like they look at how certain images were bother perceived and designed. For all those who also have a subject matter relating to war, I find it interesting how a lot of us related the images of those wars back to public opinion, reception, and historical memory. I liked the idea of “success or failure” when relating to propaganda because it is interesting to see not only what the intended message of the propaganda was, but how whether or not that message was successfully communicated to the public. I also thought that examining the “loss felt nationally vs. the loss felt personally” by tragic events is an extremely intriguing subject matter because of the different types of emotions and responses people feel.

    My perception of the difference between “concept words” and “subject words” is the different questions that they ask. Subject words look for specific ideas, people and places where as concept words look at how the author of a secondary source offers his opinion. It’s how he examines the material at hand. One term can possibly be both if the term is broad enough such as : credibility. It’s a specific concept but it also infers that the author is looking for how credibility relates to a certain topic. Scholars probably use these terms for outlining, which will also be helpful in our research projects.

  6. Book Title: New York Noir
    Favorite concept terms: “Feelings about wars happening far from home are different than feelings about local events”
    This was my favorite because I could relate it to historical facts. For example, during World War two, the United States did not declare war until after the attack on Pearl Harbor Dec 7. Since the war was brought to the home front, the citizens of America now had a true reason to fight and the backing from the population skyrocketed. But without a home front assault, there is not as much backing. An example of this is the Vietnam War, where there was not attack on American soil, but troops were sent to Vietnam. The popularity of the war was quite low at times and this may be affiliated with the fact that there was no local threat.

    I believe that subject is what is actually happening in a photograph; the people, setting, landscape. While the concept is the idea of the picture, the deeper meaning. The concept is what trying to be said through the images is. This can help with project information by dividing the two and digging deeper into an image you are researching.

  7. Favorite concept key terms:
    – How the photographs of the war “tapped into one of the deepest wellsprings of human longing: the desire to chronicle the human experiences and the world around us” This is interesting because it seems to get to the core of the author’s claims. How do you plan on finding this, what methods will you use.

    – codes of recognition (which list certain features of the object as the most meaningful for purposes of recollection or future communication) I am intrigued as to what this means, does this relate to symbolism?

    – Representation of femininity. I am interested to find out how what methods the Greeks used to represent women, maybe they is some parallel to the modern representation of femininity.

    – Art as an instrument of political consciousness. I think that this is a really good place to start off from as I believe art, to some extent, has always been about making a political or perhaps cultural statement.

    – Iconic photos and true meaning of photographs. This is important because certain images that are mass-produced and have been seen so many times often lose their original meaning, and their purpose is often lost.

    Concept Keywords v. Subject Keywords:
    I think these two go hand in had. It is important to identify subject keywords first, because there is a list of people, events, etc. that help you delve into research. This is where concept keywords come into play, after you have a subject you have to analyze the subjects significance and process of doing so. For example, is subject keyword is an author, then what are author’s methods to help the audience understand her claim, and that becomes the concept keyword.

  8. Favorite concept terms:
    “Civilian response” I like this as a concept for analysis because it can be used more broadly to look at how news, politics, social movements change based on how people respond to not only photos, but changes in news media outlets.

    “photographer’s interpretation of image” How could this interpretation of one’s own work show changes in reporting more than civilian response or the change in how the news articles were written?

    “repercussions of media in war coverage” If media coverage is bad in a war then who is it bad for? Is this including media that is censored and biased? Is this only mainstream media coverage or including media less looked at?

    Definition:
    Subject terms tell what the scholar is researching while concept terms tell us how they are looking at those subject terms. Terms can be either but it depends on how they are used. If a scholar is using some other term to analyze the original term, then the original is subject matter and the second is a concept analytical term.

  9. 1. Favorite concepts
    News reflects cultural values-Does the news cater to our beliefs? Do they tell us things we want to hear rather than others?

    Photographer’s interpretation of an image-Do photographers have a bigger thematic picture? Do they portray things much like other artists do?

    How media affects public opinion-How much of an effect does the media really have? Does the media drive public opinion or vice versa? How do we alter the focus of the media?

    Consumerism-Has the consumerism of the past half century affected the U.S. positively or negatively? Does consumerism affect the aspirations of Americans?-money vs integrity

    Job opportunities-
    Does race still play a role in job opportunities?-Affirmative Action

    2. A subject is the material that the author uses as evidence in his claim. A concept is the higher thematic meaning that the author gives a subject to make such as claim. I think something could be both. I saw credibility, which could be used as both in the right context, as the subject of what is credibility and the concept of the effect of credibility.

  10. Yes, great distinctions: concept terms as TOOLS you can use to analyze the images. Think of these as portable (and perhaps flexible or adjustable) frameworks you can transport over to other subject matter. My favorite ones are those that seem NOT to have an obvious meaning–they must be defined by the scholar in doing the anaylsis, e.g.:

    melodramatic identifications
    codes of recognition
    the male gaze
    the gaze
    binding quality (of photographs)
    bluntness and sharpness of material productions
    the iconic sign

    Also, I like those that seem to have an obvious meaning, but probably have STIPULATED definitions & more specific analytical use by the scholar, e.g.:

    credibility
    representation
    identity
    coverage bias
    consumer girl culture
    artistic form

  11. Favorite concept key terms:
    – Art as an instrument of political consciousness: This concept brings about a deeper thought involved in art, talking about how all art can bring political ideas to the viewer, especially in cartoons.
    – Exclusive exile: This is a very descriptive term and brings about the question, who was being exiled? Was it only the Chinese? The term has a lot of weight and I’m very intrigued about the true meaning from the reading.
    – Repercussions of media in war coverage: It is true that media can alter stories and mold things into how they would like to see it and that could have very bad effects on the people who are viewing such things. There is just great truth to this concept and many ways that it can happen.

    Subject vs. Concept terms:
    The subject and concept keyword can sometimes be used interchangeably but I believe that there is somewhat of a line between the two that is fairly distinct. A subject keyword describes mainly who and what is being studied and maybe the setting; whereas, a concept keyword is mainly looking at the analyzing aspect of some image or piece. It is more general and can be used on different types of material but also can refer to what one is studying as well.

  12. Final question everyone: Are concept key terms useful in helping you develop your project question? Can use use them in searching the databases (next week) for more academic articles/books? Does it matter if they are not being applied by other scholars to your subject matter?

  13. 1. Favorite concept key terms
    -“How has media portrayal of violence and death in war changed in the wake of the September 11th terrorist attacks in the United States?” Looking at this question and key terms it pulls me to want to know what types of sources the writer will use, since its concerned with media. It is also makes me want a new perspective on the matter.
    -“Does wartime photography accurately represent the true nature/horror of war?” I would usually think the answer to this question is no however looking at the different wars this person posted I would like to know how the writer sides on this.
    2. Subject vs concept keywords
    Subject allows a person a one word event/view for writing. The concept allows the critical thinking part of the eventually paper to be incorporated.

  14. I’m interested in the comment about Matthew Brady and his photographs during the Civil War. I’m curious especially on this one: “Brady’s photograph of Lincoln made him president→ public influence, making him look less gangly and “ugly” and more elegant” This is very interesting because the public opinion at the time was driven by images. I was wondering, if anyone knows, how this relates to the Election of 1864? How did Brady’s photographs shape public opinion on the war in terms of the election? Was it the photographs that turned the public away from the Copperhead platform of the Democrats?

  15. In response to the final question; Yes they are useful in formulating the research question because they provide snapshots of larger and more complex ideas making it possible to narrow the focus of the question. They also provide more concise research terms making it again possible to narrow the focus of the research. The fact that other scholars may not apply the same terms isn’t necessarily detrimental because the terms can be open to interpretation by the researcher, as long as some of the more generic terms are consistent then it shouldn’t matter.

  16. Concept key terms can be applied to our research process via searching the databases. If the results of the concepts interest you, that is fair game for narrowing down your research question. If our concept term has yet to be applied to our subject matter, it would be a very interesting research project to conduct because it’s uncharted territory; no one else has covered the topic yet. This allows for a very specialized, unique research project.

  17. Final Question Response:
    Concept key terms are useful in helping me develop my project question because they help to narrow my research in a way that will make it easier to analyze the images I come across. If they are not being applied by other scholars to my subject matter, I will be able to formulate my own opinions and perhaps even more concept questions on my subject matter.

  18. Concept key terms will be helpful in identifying concrete details of how to answer your research questions. i think it will be easier to search the library catalogs using subject keywords and looking for the concept keywords in the abstracts, and concept keywords are inherently less specific. If a certain concept is being utilized by a scholar, then perhaps you could use that concept and conduct your own research, to further the conversations and claims that the scholars are making.

  19. Final Question response:

    Yes, I think that concept key terms can be very useful in developing my project question. Though, I don’t think they would translate very well into a database search, I think it might be worth trying to search the term just for more analysis on the subject. As long as I find sources that discuss the concept, I believe that I can apply the information to my own topic.

    Also, the book I used is called Thinking Photography by Victor Burgin. It discusses techniques used by artists and critics to analyze historical and artistic photographs.

  20. The concept key terms are very useful in developing my question. I didn’t necessarily think about using the actual artistic forms to look at how the ideas in political cartoons are conveyed or how the political cartoons fall short because of the form. I don’t think that the terms not being used by other scholars matters unless I am trying to use those scholars’ works as secondary sources and I am analyzing using that specific key term.

  21. Concept questions can help with your argument as they make you look deeper into the question. They make up larger ideas on the topic, which in turn will help narrow the question by being able to look at different avenues. These concepts may help you find works that you may not have been able to if you had used normal subject terms. Some scholars may not use the same terms for they may not have interpreted the image the same way, but that does not mean the concept term is invalid.

  22. allright, see you all next Wed in Gelman! (I might revise that assignment a bit today, but you can check it out now to see what you’ll be doing)

  23. Yes they are extremely useful in researching. As for learning about scholars, they are good on learning about new scholars and different opinions on the matter however, if you are looking for something specific the then the concept key term needs to be deciphered or more detailed by the researcher.

  24. Concept key terms can be very useful in the shaping of one’s project question because they are slightly more general ideas that tie into the project’s overall scheme. I am sure that these concepts can be of much help while searching for other similar secondary resources because with similar concepts then there will be similar articles or books on the matter. It really does not matter if other scholars are not using these concept terms in order to describe the subject that is being covered because this project is about discovering new questions that have yet to be asked or answered.

  25. I think concept terms are helpful with research question through trying to narrow down what the question is asking. I think concept terms can be used with databases to start one continuous line of information through several sources in support of a particular topic within that question. Although scholars may uses different terms or use the same terms differently, I think the sources can still be used as long as the context of the concept term is defined.

  26. Concept terms differ from subject terms because subject terms are very shallow in their view of the work, but the two aren’t mutually exclusive. It is possible for a subject and concept term to be the same. Concept terms are better, however, because they are “buzzwords” of sorts that you can plug into databases to find what you’re looking for. For example, ‘George Washington’ is a subject and will bring all kinds of sources, but ‘George Washington’ + ‘respect for military’ will bring up entirely different results, more specific and better for research. The more buzzwords or concept terms alongside a subject term, the better.

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